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February 28, 2010

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Theagnosticpentecostal

I think all of us have a subjective knowing of a "better." Whether that is an absolute or a relative makes no difference. This inbuilt notion of a "better other" informs our own internal standards of behavior, regardless of laws or religion. For example, I may be trying to live by my own laws, but I will always be somehow aware of a better way, even if I have no information from laws or religion. Some are more aware than others, and some are motivated more by external laws, and therein lies the tension: a tension between internal and external standards of this "better."

That's my take anyway.

Thomas Just

Dave, thanks for the insight! I agree that in many ways this can certainly be framed as an internal versus external struggle as to what is ethical. What I wonder though is in what way are these internal tacit assumptions and unarticulated presuppositions in fact formed by social conditioning. In other words where do these internal ethical views come from? Surely they are not formed in a vacuum? Supposedly it would appear that their is some sort of internal matrix whereby differing values are given varying weights and subjectively applied in diverse situations. Then, for me, other questions arise such as what is the best way to live? Is it better to suffer injustice than to commit it? What does it profit a man to live justly? Is the goal happiness? How do we define happiness? The questions are endless for me! But for better or worse this is the path I have chosen! Thanks for traveling it with me!

Joe Bumbulis

Dang it! I had a comment, pushed publish and lost it. grrrr.

Well, to summarize what I said. I agree with what you are saying but I also think this brings up ethical questions. I think that the universal, absolute ethic creates the problem of domination and is born out of an imperialistic mode of thought. Thus if someone's ethics weren't the same as mine, then obviously they were barbaric and it was my (manifest?) destiny to force the correct ethics on them. Much of this stems from the enlightenment project of liberalism, secularism, and absolutism.

Nevertheless, the question must be asked about the value of being able to point to absolutes in defense of moving toward a more dialogical approach. For example, minorities around the world, especially women, are now clinging to the idea of "human rights" to put an end to their oppression. Obviously the goal I think is to be faithful to the continual struggle with what is ethical, they way many oppressed people are doing that is by pointing to absolutes. So what is the role of absolutes? Can there be any?

Also, what about killing? Is in categorically wrong to kill, ie pacifism? If so, is this an absolute?

Also, can a system be created that fosters the space for continually struggling with what is ethical? Who decides what is ethical (a very important question for those w/o the ability to choose for themselves)?

Last, is your reference to the "void" derivative of Zizek's "Real"? (I think that's all I wrote, except better and less rushed, ha).

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