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March 15, 2010

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Laura

Good points, good argument. Can't say that I disagree with anything you said. If you're interested in an Aristotelian inspired view of democracy, and hence justice, that purposely attempts to avoid any "meta-layer" by bringing government to the people, check out John Dryzek's Discursive Democracy. He utilizes Aristole quite a bit when creating his argument for public arenas and discursive, rather than representative, democracy. Also, there is a movement or a theory, if you will, in criminal justice known as "restorative justice," in which rather than relying on and utilizing solely what the law says, judges creatively come up with sanctions and punishments which restore the community and individuals involved, rather than just putting someone in jail and leaving them to their own devices. For example, if a teenager is arrested for graffiti, he/she is sent back to clean and fix up the property that was damaged, perhaps even wearing a sign telling their community why they are doing what they are doing. The purpose is not necessarily to shame or punish, but to give the offender the chance to make up for what they've done in a way that keeps them connected to the community and hopefully prevents future criminal behavior. So while our legal system is fraught with injustice and there are many minds out there who prefer to think of the entire world as an adversarial system, there are little beacons of light that are trying to change things when they can.

Tia Lecorchick

I really enjoyed this post. The complexity of the human condition and how the often abstract concept of justice fits into it, is so often overlooked and oversimplified. I was very impressed with your reflections upon it. An inspiring read!

Dac99a

To me it seems that this misconception of justice stems more from our American heritage than it does from a particular political ideation. America's favorite way to ensure "equality" is to give people the right to do certain things. The problem seems to be that simply lacking restriction does not always equalize opportunity. However, this is a difficult idea to sell in an individualistic society. Giving someone an opportunity does not mean they will take advantage of such an opportunity. Recognizing the external factors of someone’s behavior does not always increase the compassion that people have concerning that individual. Therein lies the complexity of society and human agency.

My question is always “so what?” What can we do about it? I tend to think one of the best ways to combat this view is to enable individuals through education to put our world in the hands of knowledgeable, creative, and passionate people. Education is seen as a basic right by both sides of the political podium.

On a different subject…

I disagree that the conservative viewpoint necessarily includes an “inherently savage view of human nature.” Frankly, I think this statement stems from your incredibly negative emotions related to anything that could remotely be called conservative. I do not pretend to deny my own conservative roots, although my father always called himself “moderate,” while my mother always voted democrat. My parents were probably the most politically open minded people I encountered during my upbringing. May be it is because I am a political mudblood, but I see little value in spending my energy decrying others who may have different views than my own. I see this as intolerance on both sides.

One of my ACU professors (who is actually a liberal) recently wrote a very interesting blog concerning the difference between what it means to be liberal or conservative (http://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2010/03/thoughts-on-racism-liberals-and.html). He suggests that liberals view human behavior as the result of external factors, while conservatives view it as the result of internal factors. In my opinion, extreme belief on one side or the other is a very distorted view of behavior; neither is inherently “right” or “wrong.” It is most likely that human behavior is a combination of these two different sides. I often find myself stuck in that complexity, noticing that there are inherent injustices on both sides.

There is a good chance that I have offended you by what I have just said. But I want you to take a real look inside and think about your own value of intolerance and consider applying it to those whose viewpoints are different than your own. Jesus never chose to be a Pharisee or a Sadducee. He called both to repentance. In light of his example, I believe we all need to quit choosing sides and be part of the solution.

Thomas Just

Daniel thank you for your comments and push back! Part of why I write this blog is so that I can get helpful constructive feedback and examination on my own thought processes. I would argue that you are right in the sense that not all of conservative thought has to be based on an inherently savage view of human nature. Regardless however much of what is loudly proclaimed currently is. I would also point out that the left has the problem of seeming to lack any kind of well communicated robust theory of justice. More of my objection is rather to the whole social contract theory of justice by which both parties operate under. I am suggesting that this social contract theory is inherently anemic and yet I applaud it for the improvement it was out of the feudalist context from which it came. As to your points concerning human agency I couldn’t agree more that it is far from being black and white. That complexity is extremely important to stay in unresolved.

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